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    <pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:55:34 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Did anyone's Linux machines die today?</title>
      <link>http://forum.case.edu/read/7/30099/30106#msg-30106</link>
      <author>Alexander Hutnik &lt;aah16@case.edu&gt;</author>
      <description><![CDATA[[quote Chris Mihos ref=30099:30102]All the linux machines in Astronomy seem fine.[/quote]

Yeah I mean this behavior was so bizarre I just had to post on the Forum to see if it happened to anyone else.  Two computers just shutoff on their own while everything else stays powered (and a third one becomes unresponsive).  And one common thread is that they were all running Linux.  That's too weird to let go, ya know?]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:55:34 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Did anyone's Linux machines die today?</title>
      <link>http://forum.case.edu/read/7/30099/30102#msg-30102</link>
      <author>Chris Mihos &lt;jcm9@case.edu&gt;</author>
      <description><![CDATA[All the linux machines in Astronomy seem fine.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:04:01 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Did anyone's Linux machines die today?</title>
      <link>http://forum.case.edu/read/7/30099/30099#msg-30099</link>
      <author>Alexander Hutnik &lt;aah16@case.edu&gt;</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I'm in House 3 and my Linux desktop and file server both shutoff at approximately 11:50AM today.  My roommate also has a Linux machine in his room that became unreachable at the same time as well (but did not forcefully power off like mine).  It wasn't a power outage since all of my other electronics (on the same power strip) stayed on, including my Windows machine.  My roommate's Mac stayed on as well.

I fully expect this thread to be ignored, but if anyone has any info, it would definitely settle the curiosities of myself and the few other linux hackers I asked about this already.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 16:02:05 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Twitter?</title>
      <link>http://forum.case.edu/read/7/30066/30098#msg-30098</link>
      <author>Anonymous &lt;anonymous.user@case.edu&gt;</author>
      <description><![CDATA[[quote Samuel Rees ref=30066:30094]You know smalltalk? that really annoying thing you have to do every day with people you don't care about anyway and just want to go away so you can continue with your thoughts? 

Why the hell would we put that into electronic form? I hate web 2.0. The more I listen to this forum the more the all Magnificent Maddox makes sense. http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=smalltalk

Twitter is an even more extreme than blogging, all based around this myth people believe into that someone cares about you.[/quote]
I am sure some people feel this same about this forum. Yet, people keep coming back and participating.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 14:16:31 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Twitter?</title>
      <link>http://forum.case.edu/read/7/30066/30095#msg-30095</link>
      <author>Kyle Niemeyer &lt;ken7@case.edu&gt;</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I felt that way at first about Twitter - wasn't really sure what the point was.  But I've seen people use it to keep in touch with people without using that smalltalk (over AIM or something), or just keep up to date with people in their area.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 11:51:18 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Twitter?</title>
      <link>http://forum.case.edu/read/7/30066/30094#msg-30094</link>
      <author>Samuel Rees &lt;slr33@case.edu&gt;</author>
      <description><![CDATA[You know smalltalk? that really annoying thing you have to do every day with people you don't care about anyway and just want to go away so you can continue with your thoughts? 

Why the hell would we put that into electronic form? I hate web 2.0. The more I listen to this forum the more the all Magnificent Maddox makes sense. http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=smalltalk

Twitter is an even more extreme than blogging, all based around this myth people believe into that someone cares about you.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:41:41 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: whiteboards</title>
      <link>http://forum.case.edu/read/7/29083/30093#msg-30093</link>
      <author>Anonymous &lt;anonymous.user@case.edu&gt;</author>
      <description><![CDATA[[quote Alan Jones ref=29083:30092]Though I do like the idea of putting whiteboards around campus to stimulate collaboration, there is a good chance that it wouldn't work as well as it does at MIT.  Let's think, what do you need for quality collaboration (the sorts that would be done via whiteboarding)?  You need people who are interesting in learning and knowledge.  MIT has more than enough people that are willing to intellectualize for intellectualizing's sake--so the whiteboards get put to good use.  However, at Case, there are far fewer people who would care to talk about problems that aren't related to their own field or aren't going to be on the test.  There aren't as many people that see the benefit in whiteboard collaboration.  It just doesn't seem to be a cool thing to do.[/quote]
I could not disagree more with your assessment of the student body here at Case. I see a large part of the students here are innovative, collaborative, and interesting in advancing the future of man.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:36:27 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: whiteboards</title>
      <link>http://forum.case.edu/read/7/29083/30092#msg-30092</link>
      <author>Alan Jones &lt;amj17@case.edu&gt;</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I like the idea of putting whiteboards up around campus.  Once when I was working on a programming project with another student, we extensively used the whiteboards in Clark tower.  And with how much traffic goes through that area, we had a good chance to talk to people about what we were doing and get feedback--and volunteers for testing :)

I like to be exposed to what other people are learning about and whiteboards are a good way to do that. Also, it helps to feel a little more connected to students who aren't in the same academic program as me because I still have a feel for what they are doing.

The problem with KSL's whiteboards is that those study rooms are rarely available.  Also, I think they aren't likely to promote collaboration because only one group of people are ever going to be in the room at once, and whatever is written on the boards is likely going to erased soon after.  Whiteboards should be placed at highly connected campus nodes so that whatever is written can be seen by a variety of people.

I would discourage putting the boards in a place that would result in people assuming that the boards are for a particular academic program only (hence, not in only in labs).  This would cause outsiders to ignore the boards.  Placing the boards in an area that is &quot;program-neutral&quot; will encourage cross-disipline interaction.

Though I do like the idea of putting whiteboards around campus to stimulate collaboration, there is a good chance that it wouldn't work as well as it does at MIT.  Let's think, what do you need for quality collaboration (the sorts that would be done via whiteboarding)?  You need people who are interesting in learning and knowledge.  MIT has more than enough people that are willing to intellectualize for intellectualizing's sake--so the whiteboards get put to good use.  However, at Case, there are far fewer people who would care to talk about problems that aren't related to their own field or aren't going to be on the test.  There aren't as many people that see the benefit in whiteboard collaboration.  It just doesn't seem to be a cool thing to do.

Because of this, I can imagine public whiteboards quickly going to waste.  Even worse, the whiteboards could become an eyesore or embarassment.  When people draw penises or write vulgar words on the dorm whiteboards, only portions of the campus see, but when the same is written on public boards (say, in nord), all of Case will see (the important non-undergrads).

These were my thoughts.  Please take them with a grain of salt :)]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 18:32:56 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Superhero aspirations?</title>
      <link>http://forum.case.edu/read/7/29772/30085#msg-30085</link>
      <author>Richard Drushel &lt;rfd@case.edu&gt;</author>
      <description><![CDATA[[quote Johnathon Bonfield ref=29772:30084]i would just have the power to manipulate the Higgs Boson particle so that i could alter reality and become a god.[/quote]

Particle Man, then, eh?

*Rich*]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:40:16 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Superhero aspirations?</title>
      <link>http://forum.case.edu/read/7/29772/30084#msg-30084</link>
      <author>Johnathon Bonfield &lt;jeb99@case.edu&gt;</author>
      <description><![CDATA[i would just have the power to manipulate the Higgs Boson particle so that i could alter reality and become a god.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 07:32:24 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Twitter?</title>
      <link>http://forum.case.edu/read/7/30066/30075#msg-30075</link>
      <author>Alexander Hutnik &lt;aah16@case.edu&gt;</author>
      <description><![CDATA[twitter.com/alexhutnik]]></description>
      <category>General&amp;#160;Discussion</category>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:18:22 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Superhero aspirations?</title>
      <link>http://forum.case.edu/read/7/29772/30071#msg-30071</link>
      <author>Alexander Flagg &lt;anf4@case.edu&gt;</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Gotta go with Iron man.  Batman's cool and all, but Tony has the [i]small[/i] advantage of being able to fly.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:36:57 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Twitter?</title>
      <link>http://forum.case.edu/read/7/30066/30070#msg-30070</link>
      <author>Kyle Niemeyer &lt;ken7@case.edu&gt;</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Yeah, on the status blog ([url=http://status.twitter.com/]http://status.twitter.com/[/url]) they were having issues as of Monday morning with no update yet that things have been fixed.  I can't seem to follow anyone new at the moment.

Tweeting seems to be ok though.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:35:37 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Twitter?</title>
      <link>http://forum.case.edu/read/7/30066/30069#msg-30069</link>
      <author>Brian Seeders &lt;bps13@case.edu&gt;</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I tried following you, but as usual, Twitter is having issues. They realllly need to get that stuff sorted out.

http://twitter.com/brianseeders]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:22:55 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Twitter?</title>
      <link>http://forum.case.edu/read/7/30066/30066#msg-30066</link>
      <author>Kyle Niemeyer &lt;ken7@case.edu&gt;</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Do many people at Case use Twitter?

I'm trying to use it, and I'm following a couple people I know (though that doesn't seem to be the trend), but I'd like more people that at least might talk about things/people I'm familiar with around campus.

my profile is at: [url=http://twitter.com/kyle_niemeyer]http://twitter.com/kyle_niemeyer[/url]

Reply to this message, follow me on twitter, whatever. I like twitter, but I need more people.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:23:01 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: New Websites</title>
      <link>http://forum.case.edu/read/7/29873/29942#msg-29942</link>
      <author>Benjamin Cherry &lt;bxc182@case.edu&gt;</author>
      <description><![CDATA[that art page is lol, though]]></description>
      <category>General&amp;#160;Discussion</category>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:16:59 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: New Websites</title>
      <link>http://forum.case.edu/read/7/29873/29941#msg-29941</link>
      <author>Benjamin Cherry &lt;bxc182@case.edu&gt;</author>
      <description><![CDATA[[quote Anonymous ref=29873:29873]What do you think?
[url=http://www.engineering.case.edu]School of Engineering[/url]
[url=http://www.weatherhead.case.edu]Weatherhead School of Management[/url][/quote]

to be honest, both look like hastily modded WordPress installs.

[quote Anonymous ref=29873:29877]But to be fair...it could be worse:

http://art.yale.edu/Home[/quote]

Yeah, Yale has had pretty much the same website since 2000. Back then it was awesome. Now it's pretty meh.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:16:46 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Case Email, GOOGLE Aps</title>
      <link>http://forum.case.edu/read/7/29929/29935#msg-29935</link>
      <author>Jeremy Smith &lt;jms18@case.edu&gt;</author>
      <description><![CDATA[The official line is &quot;as long as Case offers GoogleApps,&quot; which is guaranteed (officially) to be for the next 3 years.  (Not officially: most likely a [b]lot[/b] longer -- so you should be good.)]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:06:54 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Case Email, GOOGLE Aps</title>
      <link>http://forum.case.edu/read/7/29929/29931#msg-29931</link>
      <author>David Carlin &lt;djc6@case.edu&gt;</author>
      <description><![CDATA[This thread might be of some use, but is by no means an official source of information:

http://forum.case.edu/read/11/24528/24528#msg-24528]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:35:38 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Case Email, GOOGLE Aps</title>
      <link>http://forum.case.edu/read/7/29929/29929#msg-29929</link>
      <author>Anonymous &lt;anonymous.user@case.edu&gt;</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Does anyone know how long we get to keep the case email accounts if we synched them with the google aps? I graduated in May. Any expiration date on youremail23@case.edu?]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:23:03 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Electricians and/or handypersons in the University Circle area?</title>
      <link>http://forum.case.edu/read/7/29629/29903#msg-29903</link>
      <author>Vincent Torre &lt;vst@case.edu&gt;</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Cool; thank you!]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:02:43 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Electricians and/or handypersons in the University Circle area?</title>
      <link>http://forum.case.edu/read/7/29629/29897#msg-29897</link>
      <author>Angelina Manieri &lt;amm46@case.edu&gt;</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Salvatore DiGiorgi
216-531-5517]]></description>
      <category>General&amp;#160;Discussion</category>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 17:23:35 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: New Websites</title>
      <link>http://forum.case.edu/read/7/29873/29894#msg-29894</link>
      <author>Anonymous &lt;anonymous.user@case.edu&gt;</author>
      <description><![CDATA[[quote Anonymous ref=29873:29892]Does anyone know if these were 'officially sanctioned' implementations of the new templates? There are enough inconsistencies between them that I'm think/hoping not. The lack of inner page templates (except for Dean Tian's page, I haven't found any non-BHG pages) is also a bit disturbing.[/quote]
I am guessing these are tests in progress. There is no other explanation of why two different schools rolled out similar pages at the same time.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 13:20:37 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: New Websites</title>
      <link>http://forum.case.edu/read/7/29873/29892#msg-29892</link>
      <author>Anonymous &lt;anonymous.user@case.edu&gt;</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Original Poster back to rant again:

[quote James Nauer ref=29873:29889]No probs here. (using FF3/Mac &amp; Safari).  The 'boring green'-ness of the mouseovers doesn't bother me, the one-pixel shift upward does (too subtle to bother doing on purpose, and goes the wrong way anyway--if there is any movement, it should be down 1 px. to imply button pushing/selecting)[/quote]

By decapitated I meant it is just the &quot;sunburst&quot; part, without the word mark. This close to the full version of the logo it just looks redundant. I'd noticed the pixel shift and forgot to mention it (was distracted by other atrocities.

[quote James Nauer ref=29873:29889]As for continuity...the main pages are pretty much identical: graphical link to some highlighted content, and current events-ish stuff below.  Sub-pages seem to be using it for page-appropriate content (related links) or random filler pictures (only mildly annoying).[/quote]

By continuity, I meant visually. WSOM guy's photo has a few pixels of padding within the rounded rectangle frame, Dean Tian's does not. Tian's photo also has the &quot;Look, I can make it look like the sticker is peeling off the photo, but oops, I cut off the bottom and right two pixels (seriously, is there a shortage of lower pixels on images around here?!)&quot; thing (can you tell I hate it?), WSOM does not. CSE's events are separated by dotted lines, WSOM's are not. WSOM's photo does not have an alt text defined.

[quote James Nauer ref=29873:29889]Page-specific contact info: highly desirable, but historically a royal pain to maintain in a usable form.

Agreed 110% on the &quot;top research universities&quot; schlock.  Reads way too much like the boilerplate at the end of a typical corporate press release.

Footer layout looks the same except for some styling inconsistencies (on the CSE page? but Weatherhead is broken in Firefox 3, text overlaps).[/quote]

With a dynamic scripting language, page-specific contact information should be easy. Hack together something to look at a config file at the directory level and pull contact info from that (ASP.net's web.config is an example). I'm sure someone could put together something similar in PHP for the main campus Web server.

We're a research university, shouldn't we be used to citing our sources. As tacky as it would be, even having &quot;top research universities&quot; link to some 'accolades' page that lists awards and rankings we've received. Ditto with &quot;One of the top engineering schools in the WORLD&quot; on CSE's site (&quot;world&quot; is actually capitalized in the source).

WSOM's footer does appear to just be broken (it looks a little better in FF2, but is just horrid in FF3).

[quote James Nauer ref=29873:29889]Again, strongly agree on the first 3 points.  Don't agree on the &quot;less personalization&quot; part though--it looks to me pretty much like what we have today: fixed top banner, content-specific navigation on the left, main content in the center, more page-specific &quot;stuff&quot; on the right (which I suspect can be removed by a sufficiently motivated page designer, much like the old page layouts).[/quote]

I just found the Dean's page (http://www.engineering.case.edu/about/welcome.shtml). This is what the interior pages should look like. No BHG to deal with and a big content area in which to customize a site. The BHG plus three columns motif works for a main page, but it limits the internal layout too much. The float:right photo of Tian would look horribly out of place under a BHG.



Does anyone know if these were 'officially sanctioned' implementations of the new templates? There are enough inconsistencies between them that I'm think/hoping not. The lack of inner page templates (except for Dean Tian's page, I haven't found any non-BHG pages) is also a bit disturbing.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 09:37:58 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: New Websites</title>
      <link>http://forum.case.edu/read/7/29873/29890#msg-29890</link>
      <author>James Nauer &lt;jan3@case.edu&gt;</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Egads, I was wrong--a quick look with the OLPC XO reveals all of the Flash-based static text. What a nightmare!

Opera 9.5 (Mac) shows blank white rectangles for some of the Flash static text (school name at the top, large university name at the bottom).  Much to my disappointment, the animation still works :frown:]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:53:58 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: New Websites</title>
      <link>http://forum.case.edu/read/7/29873/29889#msg-29889</link>
      <author>James Nauer &lt;jan3@case.edu&gt;</author>
      <description><![CDATA[[quote Anonymous ref=29873:29876]I could spend most of my day listing things that are wrong with it... Major complaints starting at the top and working down.

Top navbar: 
- Decapitated Case logo next to &quot;Home&quot; which doesn't even go to Case's home page
- Boring green mouseovers
[/quote]

No probs here. (using FF3/Mac &amp; Safari).  The 'boring green'-ness of the mouseovers doesn't bother me, the one-pixel shift upward does (too subtle to bother doing on purpose, and goes the wrong way anyway--if there is any movement, it should be down 1 px. to imply button pushing/selecting)

[quote]
Title bar:
- No clear space above/below logo, it looks like it got squeezed into some stock template
- The logo cuts off the bottom of the 8 and 6 in 1826 (this is actually the case with all logo files on the marketing site, you'd think someone would have noticed by now)
[/quote]
Agree; 1-2 px. of dark blue margin on top would balance the logo much better. The 1826 cutoff is really aggravating; good thing Case doesn't have a graphic design program to which we are trying to attract students.

[quote]
- School name is a flash object for some reason
- The sunburst is just out of place and/or tacky
[/quote]

No flash here (according to Firefox 3 + FlashBlock plugin).  The sunburst isn't too bad.  The utter bogosity of rendering the school's name in Firefox is nasty (dark blue on an indigo background??) and needs to be fixed--Safari shows it as a nice, readable white text.

[quote]
Flash photo rotator:
- I'm still undecided on this...
[/quote]

I'm not--the CSE version is utterly loathsome (I had to break down and install FlashBlock just so I wouldn't see that bleeping wind turbine spinning in a background window while typing this); WSOM rates a mere 'annoying' by virtue of not animating the actual content, only the transitions.

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Left navbar:
- Flyouts are just annoying
- Flyouts remain even on inner pages, obscuring access to material related to the current site
- On CSE site, the subitems on the flyout get wider when hovered over
[/quote]

Meh.  I didn't see anything really bothersome, though I'd like to see some alignment tweaks for the flyouts.

[quote]
Center content area:
- Not much to comment on here
- CSE should have been able to find better photos

Right column:
- Apparently this is where we meet the diversity quota by posting photos of Asian Americans
- No continuity between the two sites
[/quote]

?? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!  Perhaps we need to fire the Asian(-American?) Dean of CSE and replace him with a &quot;real&quot; American?  And the WSOM page (at least the version I'm looking at now) is Wonderbread(R)(TM)-white. [i]*sigh* I though we got past this petty nonsense years ago...[/i]

As for continuity...the main pages are pretty much identical: graphical link to some highlighted content, and current events-ish stuff below.  Sub-pages seem to be using it for page-appropriate content (related links) or random filler pictures (only mildly annoying).

[quote]
Bottom signoff:
- Lack of continuity again (though CSE's looks better)
- No contact information specific to the content of the page, just the generic Case contact information
- &quot;Located in Cleveland, Ohio, Case Western Reserve University is one of the nation’s top research universities.&quot; seriously?! That just seems weak.
[/quote]
Page-specific contact info: highly desirable, but historically a royal pain to maintain in a usable form.

Agreed 110% on the &quot;top research universities&quot; schlock.  Reads way too much like the boilerplate at the end of a typical corporate press release.

Footer layout looks the same except for some styling inconsistencies (on the CSE page? but Weatherhead is broken in Firefox 3, text overlaps).

[quote]
Interior pages:
- The top photo is way too large for an interior page, plus they keep getting reused
- People will put shitty pictures that are then blown up to be that big and it will just look like hell (see http://weatherhead.case.edu/career/employers/)
- The aspect ratio is not conducive to most photos (see http://weatherhead.case.edu/initiatives/health-systems-management/)
- Overall layout allows for even less personalization than the existing templates[/quote]

Again, strongly agree on the first 3 points.  Don't agree on the &quot;less personalization&quot; part though--it looks to me pretty much like what we have today: fixed top banner, content-specific navigation on the left, main content in the center, more page-specific &quot;stuff&quot; on the right (which I suspect can be removed by a sufficiently motivated page designer, much like the old page layouts). 

The BHGs (Big Honkin' Graphics, point 1) really do hurt here.  They seem to be optional--see e.g. Dean Tien's Welcome page--but they are definitely over-used, at least on the CSE site.

Back to technical issues--the CSE site has some nasty layout bugs in FireFox 3; it looks like some CSS rules are missing or not being applied correctly (headings are in the wrong(?) font, content sometimes overlaps (main content area is shifted up into the border around the Flash area, Dean Tien's link is overlapping the text above it).

Overall, I have to go with a favorite expression of one of my friends: &quot;It's not tragic.&quot;  A few cosmetic tweaks, fix the CSS bugs...then the only thing left is getting the Flash content/BHG area under control (but I very much doubt that that is a winnable battle :frown: ).]]></description>
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      <title>Re: New Websites</title>
      <link>http://forum.case.edu/read/7/29873/29885#msg-29885</link>
      <author>Anonymous &lt;anonymous.user@case.edu&gt;</author>
      <description><![CDATA[[quote Anonymous ref=29873:29876]Top navbar: 
- Decapitated Case logo next to &quot;Home&quot; which doesn't even go to Case's home page
- Boring green mouseovers[/quote]
Did they change something? On the Engineering page, the logo does go home. It is different on Weatherhead.

I like the green.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:12:08 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: New Websites</title>
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      <author>Anonymous &lt;anonymous.user@case.edu&gt;</author>
      <description><![CDATA[[quote Anonymous ref=29873:29877]Well, I'd be more concerned with the inconsistency between the different schools.  Look at these:

http://law.case.edu/
http://casemed.case.edu/
http://fpb.case.edu/


I especially like that the law school's mini-logo isn't the same.

But to be fair...it could be worse:

http://art.yale.edu/Home[/quote]
Well obviously the first two are based on the sample that was being distributed for the new Case website, and the last three are based on the old templates.]]></description>
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      <title>Re: New Websites</title>
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      <author>Anonymous &lt;anonymous.user@case.edu&gt;</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Well, I'd be more concerned with the inconsistency between the different schools.  Look at these:

http://law.case.edu/
http://casemed.case.edu/
http://fpb.case.edu/


I especially like that the law school's mini-logo isn't the same.

But to be fair...it could be worse:

http://art.yale.edu/Home]]></description>
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      <link>http://forum.case.edu/read/7/29873/29876#msg-29876</link>
      <author>Anonymous &lt;anonymous.user@case.edu&gt;</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I could spend most of my day listing things that are wrong with it... Major complaints starting at the top and working down.

Top navbar: 
- Decapitated Case logo next to &quot;Home&quot; which doesn't even go to Case's home page
- Boring green mouseovers

Title bar:
- No clear space above/below logo, it looks like it got squeezed into some stock template
- The logo cuts off the bottom of the 8 and 6 in 1826 (this is actually the case with all logo files on the marketing site, you'd think someone would have noticed by now)
- School name is a flash object for some reason
- The sunburst is just out of place and/or tacky

Flash photo rotator:
- I'm still undecided on this...

Left navbar:
- Flyouts are just annoying
- Flyouts remain even on inner pages, obscuring access to material related to the current site
- On CSE site, the subitems on the flyout get wider when hovered over

Center content area:
- Not much to comment on here
- CSE should have been able to find better photos

Right column:
- Apparently this is where we meet the diversity quota by posting photos of Asian Americans
- No continuity between the two sites

Bottom signoff:
- Lack of continuity again (though CSE's looks better)
- No contact information specific to the content of the page, just the generic Case contact information
- &quot;Located in Cleveland, Ohio, Case Western Reserve University is one of the nation’s top research universities.&quot; seriously?! That just seems weak.

Interior pages:
- The top photo is way too large for an interior page, plus they keep getting reused
- People will put shitty pictures that are then blown up to be that big and it will just look like hell (see http://weatherhead.case.edu/career/employers/)
- The aspect ratio is not conducive to most photos (see http://weatherhead.case.edu/initiatives/health-systems-management/)
- Overall layout allows for even less personalization than the existing templates]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:51:42 -0400</pubDate>
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